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    Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portland hills

    Daraine Luton, Staff Reporter

    HE JOURNEYED far from the hot, dusty and sometimes volatile concrete jungle of Arnett Gardens, St Andrew, to the cool, pristine hills of Balcarres, Portland, five years ago.

    But Nigel David Cobb's aim was not to inhale cleaner air or swim daily in the river, which is part of the inviting offerings of rural life. Instead, he wanted to learn obeah.

    But neither a cursory glance nor an everlasting stare would let you recognise that Cobb is practising to peep through the proverbial nine-inch wall.

    The young man is as unassuming as any 30-year-old around town.

    He wears no strange clothes; carries no flag; and has no head wraps, horse shoe, shells, animal or human skulls. At least, not from The Sunday Gleaner's vantage point.

    &quot;<span style="font-style: italic">I got a calling to seek the high physician and that is why I am here,&quot;</span> Cobb testifies.

    &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">The Lord sent me</span> into the hills, He who has a clean hand and a pure heart,&quot; he adds.

    Cobb left Kingston in 2004 for Portland to sit at the feet of a bush doctor known as 'Mr Murray'.

    Cobb tells The Sunday Gleaner that he has washed and bathed clients and is convinced that he has learnt enough to go on his own.

    &quot;I have learnt so much and still there is more to learn,&quot; he says confidently.

    Practice for deliverance&gt;

    On an average day, the 30-year-old says he registers up to 25 clients. He spends his days learning to read, bathe and cure persons around whose &quot;neck trouble hangs like an albatross&quot;.

    He says young and old turn up daily in droves for deliverance at his &quot;teacher&quot; and mentor's practice. He is convinced that they always receive help.

    So far, Cobbs' education has taken longer than the average university degree and he still has, at least, one more year of apprenticeship.

    &quot;Five years ago, before mi come here, mi neva believe inna it (obeah), but I have seen his work and I know that he is a high physician.

    &quot;The Bible says seek the high physician and you have to find the highest knowledge,&quot; Cobb relates. &quot;A lot of people do it (indulge in obeah) because it can give them benefits in life, which is true. But some people do it for money. I want to use it to help people and to know more about the natural mystic of God's work,&quot;

    With approximately one year to go in his studies, this young obeah man has already figured out where he will be taking his business.

    And, it's not the concrete jungle, Trench Town or Tivoli Gardens; neither is he heading to Windward Road. His destination is uptown, among the more well-to-do Jamaicans.

    &quot;I am going to set up in Eastwood Park Gardens. This is where the calling says that I must go,&quot; discloses Cobb with a wide grin.

    But not only is he a blooming high physician, he believes he is a big musician in the making. He tells The Sunday Gleaner that <span style="font-weight: bold">he has refused to use his spiritual work as a means of gaining that big burst on the entertainment scene.</span>

    &quot;<span style="font-weight: bold">Mi nah guh work obeah fi buss.</span> Mi a just wait peacefully fi my chance. Anything that you use obeah fi do, in the long run, it is
    u so fake, even China denied mekking u

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    Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

    A long time bandolu business a go on. they only modernize it with th eintroduction of telephone scams. scams a go on for centuries. If they can't gate a good wducation to EARN A DECENT LIVING, they will always find some scam, to seperate the fools from their's.
    Ar one stage ther were top military brass using the services of like wise scammers, I mean obeah man.
    Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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      Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

      <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A long time bandolu business a go on. they only modernize it with th eintroduction of telephone scams. scams a go on for centuries. If they can't gate a good wducation to EARN A DECENT LIVING, they will always find some scam, to seperate the fools from their's.
      Ar one stage ther were top military brass using the services of like wise scammers, I mean obeah man. </div></div>


      Soh yu feel seh obeah is a scam? you do realize that medicine man and &quot;witch doctor&quot; are terms that have been around many many years before the term MD? And that nuff a the MD's medicine comes from the bush doctor...even to this day...

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        Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

        Yes i had ti study the history of medicine.
        That don't men that pbeah is not a scam. just as how a lot of what passed for medicine was a scam too. some od what is being recommended toiday is scam too. If you belueve the procedures recommended to maintain ideal body weight, you are being scammed. If you believe that npt using sugar is healthy you are being scammed. and of youyu believe that obeah is real, you are being scammed too.
        Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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        • #5
          Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl



          that is a side issue Dr Dudd. Noone doubts that there are scammers in either profession.

          The point is the fundamentals of Roots medicine when done correctly and honestly does help ppl.

          But if I have brain cancer, I would drive to the nearest hospital and expect a Western doctor to be of better help.
          And he will slay any Dragon for me <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/inlove1.gif

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            Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

            <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

            that is a side issue Dr Dudd. Noone doubts that there are scammers in either profession.

            The point is the fundamentals of Roots medicine when done correctly and honestly does help ppl.

            But if I have brain cancer, I would drive to the nearest hospital and expect a Western doctor to be of better help. </div></div> Well on Jamaica pbeah practioners do not profess to use herbs. They profess to be able to use 'spirits' to do stuff to and for people. That is a scam. of there is ever one.
            Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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              Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

              <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

              that is a side issue Dr Dudd. Noone doubts that there are scammers in either profession.

              The point is the fundamentals of Roots medicine when done correctly and honestly does help ppl.

              But if I have brain cancer, I would drive to the nearest hospital and expect a Western doctor to be of better help. </div></div> Well on Jamaica pbeah practioners do not profess to use herbs. They profess to be able to use 'spirits' to do stuff to and for people. That is a scam. of there is ever one. </div></div>

              I have seen them use herbs to do their work, and yes they were practicing Obeah.
              And he will slay any Dragon for me <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/inlove1.gif

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              • #8
                Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

                <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

                that is a side issue Dr Dudd. Noone doubts that there are scammers in either profession.

                The point is the fundamentals of Roots medicine when done correctly and honestly does help ppl.

                But if I have brain cancer, I would drive to the nearest hospital and expect a Western doctor to be of better help. </div></div> Well on Jamaica pbeah practioners do not profess to use herbs. They profess to be able to use 'spirits' to do stuff to and for people. That is a scam. of there is ever one. </div></div>

                I have seen them use herbs to do their work, and yes they were practicing Obeah. </div></div>Well something is amiss here.,because inJamaica it is not illegal to practice bush medicine,as long as you don't charge,but it is against the law to practice obeah.
                Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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                • #9
                  Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

                  <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
                  Originally posted by Nylah

                  that is a side issue Dr Dudd. Noone doubts that there are scammers in either profession.

                  The point is the fundamentals of Roots medicine when done correctly and honestly does help ppl.

                  But if I have brain cancer, I would drive to the nearest hospital and expect a Western doctor to be of better help. </div></div> Well on Jamaica pbeah practioners do not profess to use herbs. They profess to be able to use 'spirits' to do stuff to and for people. That is a scam. of there is ever one. </div></div>

                  I have seen them use herbs to do their work, and yes they were practicing Obeah. </div></div>Well something is amiss here.,because inJamaica it is not illegal to practice bush medicine,as long as you don't charge,but it is against the law to practice obeah.
                  Well I know obeah people who use bush an oils an teas to cure illness, yes much of it is mind over matter much like western meds placebo effect, but obeah does combine the use of spiritual/mental and herbal....

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                    Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

                    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nylah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
                    Originally posted by Dr.Dudd
                    Originally posted by Nylah

                    that is a side issue Dr Dudd. Noone doubts that there are scammers in either profession.

                    The point is the fundamentals of Roots medicine when done correctly and honestly does help ppl.

                    But if I have brain cancer, I would drive to the nearest hospital and expect a Western doctor to be of better help. </div></div> Well on Jamaica pbeah practioners do not profess to use herbs. They profess to be able to use 'spirits' to do stuff to and for people. That is a scam. of there is ever one. </div></div>

                    I have seen them use herbs to do their work, and yes they were practicing Obeah. </div></div>Well something is amiss here.,because inJamaica it is not illegal to practice bush medicine,as long as you don't charge,but it is against the law to practice obeah.
                    Well I know obeah people who use bush an oils an teas to cure illness, yes much of it is mind over matter much like western meds placebo effect, but obeah does combine the use of spiritual/mental and herbal....

                    yup. exactly.
                    And he will slay any Dragon for me <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/inlove1.gif

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                    • #11
                      Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

                      <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Diabolical_Tanya</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A long time bandolu business a go on. they only modernize it with th eintroduction of telephone scams. scams a go on for centuries. If they can't gate a good wducation to EARN A DECENT LIVING, they will always find some scam, to seperate the fools from their's.
                      Ar one stage ther were top military brass using the services of like wise scammers, I mean obeah man. </div></div>


                      Soh yu feel seh obeah is a scam? you do realize that medicine man and &quot;witch doctor&quot; are terms that have been around many many years before the term MD? And that nuff a the MD's medicine comes from the bush doctor...even to this day...

                      </div></div>

                      So wait deh, yuh think seh obeah can be compared to medical Science or that Obeah-man and Herbalist are one and the same thing?

                      If a dat yuh think, then wheel an cum agen...tickyah.

                      Obeahman as mi hear bout when mi a picknie, haffie know how fi wake spirits, invoke the dead, go a grave-yard and play wid bones and dem tings deh, sen spirits fi call ppl by name etc etc.....hiff him naah duh dat him annuh real Obeahman.


                      Anuh recently dem did kill wan Obeah man whey smaddie did consult fi duh di wuk an d smaddie did lose dem court case? ...an di obeah ooman whey dem did kill because she &quot;samfie&quot; the client wid wrang information...how shi nain seen it cuming since shi cudda see innah di fuchah?

                      edit edit...no real Obeahman noh deh bout agen...dem alll ded out...ongle scammers leff.

                      edited to add...if annie real obeahman did deh bout Jamaica wuddn't bi innah di state it is...truss mi obeah wuddah tek care a dat lang lang time[re-worded to be less scary].
                      <span style="font-style: italic">If it must choose who is to be crucified, the crowd will always save Barabbas</span>..John Cocteau.

                      <span style="font-weight: bold">all the lonely people, where do they all come from?</span>

                      <span style="font-style: italic">IGNORE A TROLL, di TROLL LOSES</span>

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                        Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in Portl

                        yes of course! I will stand corrected. you are ALL knowing about ALL things Britisha



                        teva

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                          Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in P

                          Just plenty of misconceptions and a lot of incompetent people who are incapable of dealing with the spiritual side of things.

                          <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">obeah can be compared to medical Science or that Obeah-man and Herbalist are one and the same thing</div></div>
                          Yes. It is also a speciality issue Some cut, some cure, some plant. You dont expect an Obeahman to master all at once.

                          <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obeahman as mi hear bout when mi a picknie, haffie know how fi wake spirits, invoke the dead, go a grave-yard and play wid bones and dem tings deh, sen spirits fi call ppl by name etc etc.....hiff him naah duh dat him annuh real Obeahman.</div></div>
                          you na need fu do that fe be obeahman.

                          As to the man in the story, the 30days in the wilderness ritual does work.
                          let it burn, let it burn, let it burn

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                            Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in P

                            <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sukuna</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just plenty of misconceptions and a lot of incompetent people who are incapable of dealing with the spiritual side of things.

                            obeah can be compared to medical Science or that Obeah-man and Herbalist are one and the same thing</div></div>

                            Yuh wrang wrang wrang fi misquote mi...DISHONEST...here's the line agen &quot;So wait deh, yuh think seh obeah can be compared to medical Science or that Obeah-man and Herbalist are one and the same thing?<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

                            Sukuna: Yes. It is also a speciality issue Some cut, some cure, some plant. You dont expect an Obeahman to master all at once.</div></div>

                            You are asking the wrong one boout the O-man's capability, and tap talking in parables for mi naah hannastan a wud yuh IS saying bout cut and cure and plant....

                            <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obeahman as mi hear bout when mi a picknie, haffie know how fi wake spirits, invoke the dead, go a grave-yard and play wid bones and dem tings deh, sen spirits fi call ppl by name etc etc.....hiff him naah duh dat him annuh real Obeahman.</div></div>
                            you na need fu do that fe be obeahman.

                            Ah so noh? <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

                            As to the man in the story, the 30days in the wilderness ritual does work. </div></div>

                            Huh??...Duh!! What yuh talking bout Sukuna???
                            <span style="font-style: italic">If it must choose who is to be crucified, the crowd will always save Barabbas</span>..John Cocteau.

                            <span style="font-weight: bold">all the lonely people, where do they all come from?</span>

                            <span style="font-style: italic">IGNORE A TROLL, di TROLL LOSES</span>

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                              Re: Learning obeah - Kingstonian studies 'high science' in P

                              <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and tap talking in parables for mi naah hannastan a wud yuh IS saying bout cut and cure and plant.... </div></div>


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