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    PM rules out police, JDF merger

    Observer Reporter
    Thursday, September 22, 2005



    These children of staff at the Jamaica Defence Force's Accounts Department were anxious to be photographed with Prime Minister P J Patterson during his visit to the army headquarters in Kingston yesterday. (Photo: Joseph Wellington)
    Prime Minister P J Patterson yesterday ruled out a merger between the army and the police, a suggestion that arises periodically as Jamaica struggles for solutions to its serious problem of crime.

    The idea has been floated most recently by senior banker, Bill Clarke, and has, more than once, been placed on the agenda by the shadow security minister, Derrick Smith.

    But during an informal tour of Up Park Camp, the Kingston headquarters of the Jamaica Defence Force (JDF), Patterson stressed that this was not an option for his administration.

    "I do not contemplate that we will be going any route that will see a merger between the Jamaica Defence Force and the Jamaica Constabulary Force," said the prime minister in a short address to soldiers and Coast Guard members.
    Patterson, who is also the minister of defence, did not elaborate on the issue, but the prime minister's remarks were consistent with past policy positions of his administration.

    It would also have been in line with the thinking of the JDF's chief of staff, Rear Admiral Hardley Lewin, who has made more than one public statement supporting co-operation between the institutions while maintaining them as separate entities.

    Proponents of a merger argue that Jamaica's 10,000-member constabulary is, per capita, smaller than other police forces in the Caribbean.

    Merging it with the JDF would not only bring an additional 3,000 trained personnel, but an educated and highly-trained officer corps - an area in which the police force has lagged.
    Lewin did comment on Patterson's very brief remarks yesterday, but he has, in the past, argued that the JDF and the police offer different disciplines that are better preserved separately.

    In yesterday's remarks, Patterson also promised soldiers that their interest would be protected in any wage negotiations between the JDF and government, notwithstanding the agreement between the government and trade unions that froze the salary of public sector employees.

    "Even with the existence of the MOU (memorandum of understanding) between the government and trade unions, the interest of the JDF will not be forgotten and you will be properly protected," Patterson said.

    The government last week offered its employees a bump up of between $400 and $600 weekly, until next March to partially compensate for higher-than-projected inflation under the MOU, but it was not immediately clear whether soldiers benefited.

    Patterson also disclosed plans to upgrade run-down Up Park Camp barracks, as well as build units under a scheme with the National Housing Trust.

    "There is a partnership to get the approval of the National Housing Trust to make a sum available to build 300 units to house 1,200 soldiers," the prime minister said. "Some of the barracks will be destroyed and be replaced by modern buildings."

    A facility to house soldiers in Montego Bay, on the island's northwest shore, will be completed by yearend, the prime minister said.

    Last week, a new US$19-million vessel arrived from a Dutch shipyard for the Coast Guard and Patterson reminded that two more will arrive by the first quarter of next year.


    Only the ignorant or those who would like a military take over as happens in every country with a uniraet security force,or having a foreign country impose a government on the country a la Haiti would propose any such merger.
    The onlt deterrent to the takever of country by an armed force,is the potential of being opposed ny another armed force,along with armed citizens.
    Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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    Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

    "I do not contemplate that we will be going any route that will see a merger between the Jamaica Defence Force and the Jamaica Constabulary Force," said the prime minister in a short address to soldiers and Coast Guard members.
    Patterson, who is also the minister of defence, did not elaborate on the issue, but the prime minister's remarks were consistent with past policy positions of his administration.

    It would also have been in line with the thinking of the JDF's chief of staff, Rear Admiral Hardley Lewin, who has made more than one public statement supporting co-operation between the institutions while maintaining them as separate entities.
    Dr Dudd a merger may well be too much to ask from an outgoing PM who seem to be far away from making a dent in the crime and violence mayhem that has been gripping the country. I personally think greater cooperation is needed between the two insitutions and any well thinking Jamaican with knowledge of the crisis we have been facing re: rising crime would agree that some compromise is needed to get a working machinery capable of cleaning up the streets and making them safe for every citizen to walk about at their leisure without fear of unprovoked violence. Merger too strong a word , but, the results of greater cooperation could be what this nation need right now.

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    • #3
      Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

      Look Phil not every dicision can be made ny the uninformed.and any idea of merger shoulc be left to those who understand the mechanics of running a country. As I stated before only those who are ignorant of the process of governing a country and those who want the country to be left to the whims of a sole militart leader,who can just take over the ciountry like every other sole militart ruler has done in histiry would even think of it.
      Sometimes i think that educational opportunity is wsted on a lot of those who claim to be educated and still cab'tr realize when they should leave some desicions to those who are educated in the field.
      many of the educated just talk not to look as if they are ignorant,but their utterances just confirm that they really are. This is very emoyional subject to me because I respect democracy,as flawed as it is.
      What the country really ned is a larger police force,but the need a prpperli ytained police fotce. Somthing that Jjamaica has not had in it's histoty.
      Jamaica always had and still do, a military force mascarading as police force. This was essential as a colony. since colonial power is about controlling the population to th ebenefit of the colonializers. It was a one way affait,colonies a re suppose yp do what the colonial master order and the police force's duty was to enforce this. This is not policing in an independent countty,but the foreign colonial masters have been replaced bt local business ssector,amd they police has continu to carry out the orders.
      Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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      • #4
        Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

        The history of the Jamaican Constabulary is one where justice has not been rightly served in key areas for decades. There are indications that the continued expansion of the force has come at the expense of repeated human rights abuses. The JDF on the other hand though less immersed in the battle of the streets have equipped themselves with much more professionalism and this is what the members of the business elite are hoping would be replicated in the JCF if a merger was some how acheived. The danger as your rightly point to Dr Dudd is one where the military stronghold could be so developed and managed to the point where they feel all too ready to take over governance of the country.

        I don't think we are anywhere near those considerations. A working solution toward solving the murder madness is what is what this PNP Administration have been given months and years now to deal with and they are having a difficult time coping. The current mayhem if unchecked will bring about new murder records at the end of the year. It will be interesting to see what the PNP presidential candidates have as their cutting edge solutions to crime when the campaign begins for indeed I haven't seen a more pragmatic plan before the nation since the spiral of high murders started in 1996.

        Dr Dudd the greater cooperation which we speak of could well last for the short term and serve as a catalyst to gettin the murder numbers down while securing the streets. It has worked in time of emergency in the past and i'm thinking with an election year upon us 2006-2007 their need to be greater resolve by the ruling administration to get the crime and violence picture improved.

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        • #5
          Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

          Originally posted by NewsboyPhil:

          The history of the Jamaican Constabulary is one where justice has not been rightly served in key areas for decades. There are indications that the continued expansion of the force has come at the expense of repeated human rights abuses. The JDF on the other hand though less immersed in the battle of the streets have equipped themselves with much more professionalism and this is what the members of the business elite are hoping would be replicated in the JCF if a merger was some how acheived.
          This is a shortsighted view by the business elites to believe that the professionalism of the JDF would rub off on the JCF. It just could not happen. Culturally and historically, they are different. The JCF is quasi-military but is enmeshed in the civil life of the people, to interact with them for the preservation of Law & Order. Over the years, they have become the enemy of the people because of questionable crime fighting methods, their involvement with criminal elements and also corruption. This culture seems to be something they want to preserve at all cost. We saw how long Col. Trevor MacMillan lasted as Commissioner!! he stepped on a few toes and wanted to clean up the force. The police hierarchy with political intervention sent him packing and it was business as usual. They protected their turf and crime only got worse.


          Dr Dudd the greater cooperation which we speak of could well last for the short term and serve as a catalyst to gettin the murder numbers down while securing the streets. It has worked in time of emergency in the past and i'm thinking with an election year upon us 2006-2007 their need to be greater resolve by the ruling administration to get the crime and violence picture improved.
          NBP, in general the Doc is right, both institutions should remain separate entities as he has outlined... However, because our Governments, past and present that has allowed crime to become our #1 growth industry reaching the level it is today, it is neccessary that they both co-operate to bring it under control, after which time it should revert to the JCF as before. I hope this is what you are advocating.

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          "The greater the power, the more dangerous the abuse." :Edmund Burke

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          • #6
            Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

            Why not bring the army in Mr Patterson? Have you not noticed that your past policies of not employing the army (who by the way are not at war at the moment) have resulted in the violence in Jamaica spiralling out of control?

            If your policies are not working Mr Patterson then please have the common sense to try something else!
            Jus'cool

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            • #7
              Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

              Originally posted by Melanie24:
              [qb] Why not bring the army in Mr Patterson? Have you not noticed that your past policies of not employing the army (who by the way are not at war at the moment) have resulted in the violence in Jamaica spiralling out of control?

              If your policies are not working Mr Patterson then please have the common sense to try something else! [/qb]
              Where do you get your information about the use Suninformed utterances!!
              Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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              • #8
                Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

                posted 02-10-2005 02:35
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                quote:
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                Originally posted by Melanie24:
                Why not bring the army in Mr Patterson? Have you not noticed that your past policies of not employing the army (who by the way are not at war at the moment) have resulted in the violence in Jamaica spiralling out of control?

                If your policies are not working Mr Patterson then please have the common sense to try something else!
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                Where do you get your information about the use Suninformed utterances!!

                I would not 'nitpick' if I were you. 4 murdered in Kingston the other day women also being targeted for murder.
                Perhaps it is you who should check your sources.
                Patterson a lazy good for nothing Prime Minister who watches his country descend into chaos calling in the army may a least start to put some order back into the capital. Patterson should at least TRY!
                Jus'cool

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                • #9
                  Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

                  The truth as long as it points top certain direction is 'nit pick' eh?
                  Well what we are seeing is the result of many decades,ni mahe that centuries of bit 'nit picking',and pointing fingers in the wromg direction.
                  The problem with Jamaica is that the powers that ve does not want to deal with the cause.
                  They think that it will go away,of they blame it on the people.
                  Well you can fool the people,but the laws of economics cannot be perpetually circumvented. Eventually it will yaks it's natural course,and even the best security system will not be able to suppress it.
                  Many were murdered and the metro was bombed in London too.
                  Wwas the British Prime Minister lazy too?
                  Nobody cant stop people from killing if they want to.
                  Where you come from calling Patterson lazy?
                  He is one of the hardest working poliricians in the country. What would you say about your Prime Minister?
                  Join me as members of the church of LOVE,and let us change the world, one good deed at a time.

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                  • #10
                    Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

                    Dr. Dudd:-"He is one of the hardest working poliricians in the country. What would you say about your Prime Minister?


                    Isnít the hardest working Patterson the same as Prime Minister Patterson or there is another PM I donít know of? Just though I would ask
                    These are the days of great civilisation when men should think of harmony and not force..Bustamante

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                    • #11
                      Re: PM rules out police, JDF merger

                      <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr.Dudd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only the ignorant or those who would like a military take over as happens in every country with a uniraet security force,or having a foreign country impose a government on the country a la Haiti would propose any such merger.
                      The onlt deterrent to the takever of country by an armed force,is the potential of being opposed ny another armed force,along with armed citizens.
                      </div></div>

                      Ha ha ha!
                      <span style="font-weight: bold">0ok</span>

                      <span style="font-style: italic">&quot;What good fortune for those in power that people do not think&quot;</span>
                      - <span style="font-weight: bold">Adolf Hitler</span>, as quoted by Joachim Fest.

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